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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 22:52:43 GMT -5
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Post by Rinelle Grey on Apr 18, 2014 23:47:34 GMT -5
Trouble is, not enough people use google or tumbler etc, mostly because they're just not as good as Facebook.
Yeah, I'm annoyed at the fact that people don't see most of my posts, but the alternatives aren't any better, as far as I can see. Even if people do see more of your posts right now, if they get as big and as used as Facebook, then they'll eventually go the same way with hiding posts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 0:07:49 GMT -5
Tumblr has a lot of younger people, who may not be our target audience.
FB is becoming a total pain in the butt right now with its greed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 0:07:58 GMT -5
True. I hope all (business peeps) abandon Facebook and its left with all personal pages so that maybe they'll have a change of heart and stop these shenanigans. I HATE Twitter. I'm too old for Instagram and Reddit. I am on Tumblr, but that place is like GoodReads. If you try to market they will crucify you. There really is nothing else other than Google. So I'm going to work on that while stumbling along with my FB...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 0:43:43 GMT -5
Russell Blake and others kinda/sorta talk about how it's pretty much Bookbub, ENT, Pixel'o'ink, and that's it. I've seem the results from ENT... I also saw great results from Bookblast (the first time I used them). Second time, awful. Everything else? Awful. Of course, this is paid stuff I'm talking about. I know you can pay a boat load to Goodreads to do a bigger/fancier kind of ad, though I'm not sure what the results would be. I did the pay as you go ad, and I don't know what sales to attribute to each click I paid for. I know, let's get George Tekei to facebook about how great we are  It'd work I bet. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 1:09:30 GMT -5
Russell Blake and others kinda/sorta talk about how it's pretty much Bookbub, ENT, Pixel'o'ink, and that's it. I've seem the results from ENT... I also saw great results from Bookblast (the first time I used them). Second time, awful. Everything else? Awful. Of course, this is paid stuff I'm talking about. I know you can pay a boat load to Goodreads to do a bigger/fancier kind of ad, though I'm not sure what the results would be. I did the pay as you go ad, and I don't know what sales to attribute to each click I paid for. I know, let's get George Tekei to facebook about how great we are It'd work I bet. John, BB, POI, ENT are only paid advertisers. You pay for your book to be sent out on advertisement, then it disappears when next ad comes out... OTOH, Facebook, Instagram, Tumblr, GoodReads, REDDIT, Google, Twitter, etc...are social media--although you can pay for a GR ad--typically your stuff stays there on your little piece of the platform...the problem is drawing people to it. Of course, with this article, it looks like FaceBook will soon move from 'social media platform' to 'Paid Ad' status. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 1:25:08 GMT -5
LL, yeah I think I went slightly off topic I know, you meant social media, and I went all paid advertisement on you. I was sorta suggesting that it might not be worthwhile to do much social media at all, period, and just stick to the paid stuff, giving you time to write more, etc. But I dig you |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 1:37:24 GMT -5
That's a good point, John. I feel stupid not even thinking about it. Duh. I spend so much time trying to keep up the social media I feel like I can't write, which costs me time...which is money...money that could be spent on ads!!!
Thanks for pointing that out... Seriously, you just gave me an epiphany (am I using that right?). I think I'll finally do a website, have a blog section on it, RSS that to GoodReads, Amazon, Tumblr and Facebook, and do nothing else on social media... That would be so liberating.
...off to find the thread on KB of that website-designer guy!
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Post by Suzy on Apr 19, 2014 1:48:15 GMT -5
I find though, that my readers actually seek out my FB page for news. Some of them of there for chats and start topics themselves. And here's a thing I've also noticed: a pinned post gets more views, especially if it's a photo. Then you can put links in the comment box underneath.
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Post by Rinelle Grey on Apr 19, 2014 2:14:44 GMT -5
Yes, there are ways of manipulating Facebook's edge rank. Pictures do pretty well, links of any sort are barely seen at all. When I posted the back cover of my paperback, it had 20% views, which I think is the best I've had. (Which is still sad!)
The more you can get people to actually interact, the more of your posts they'll see, so Facebook is more useful once you have fans I think. When I put effort into it for a few weeks, I do see more responses, but I don't think it particularly sells books, it's more useful for keeping in touch with fans you already have I think.
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Post by Suzy on Apr 19, 2014 2:38:09 GMT -5
Yes, there are ways of manipulating Facebook's edge rank. Pictures do pretty well, links of any sort are barely seen at all. When I posted the back cover of my paperback, it had 20% views, which I think is the best I've had. (Which is still sad!) The more you can get people to actually interact, the more of your posts they'll see, so Facebook is more useful once you have fans I think. When I put effort into it for a few weeks, I do see more responses, but I don't think it particularly sells books, it's more useful for keeping in touch with fans you already have I think. Yes, that's true. It doesn't act as a billboard for you and your books. It's more about keeping in touch and announcing your new books. But having a link to it at the end of your book is a good idea. And it's good for those who don't sign up to the e-mailing list. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 8:04:56 GMT -5
I've also noticed more authors creating groups, either for their name, specific books, or genre. Take a look at how many groups Marie Force has! She does one for each book, and series, and books in general. The nice thing about a group is that everyone in the group gets to see all the messages, so it could be a more effective way to promo, or a nice addition to what you are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 8:11:04 GMT -5
Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest and Google+ all work fine for me. I have no interest in leaving any of them. I've set my schedule in such a way that social media doesn't interfere with my writing. (I've always been an organized person.)
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Post by Rinelle Grey on Apr 19, 2014 9:18:40 GMT -5
I think Pinterest has a lot of potential for book promotion, I just haven't figured out exactly how yet? Any advice? I don't think sitting there and pinning countless cool craft activities will help me any.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 9:22:17 GMT -5
I think Pinterest has a lot of potential for book promotion, I just haven't figured out exactly how yet? Any advice? I don't think sitting there and pinning countless cool craft activities will help me any. Every blog post I published gets a photo. Every one of those photos goes up at Pinterest. With those photos is a link back to the blog post. My blog and blog posts have links to my mailing list. |
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Post by Rinelle Grey on Apr 19, 2014 9:30:53 GMT -5
Yes, advertising your blog is a good way to do it. The difficulty is coming up with blog content that will draw in your target reader. I think if you have a really topical genre (love your zombie posts!) it helps, but how do you draw in romance readers? Especially if you don't want to post naked torsos every week?
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Post by Suzy on Apr 19, 2014 9:35:11 GMT -5
I think you need a combination of website, blog, Facebook author page and profile, twitter. All of those linked together.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 9:45:40 GMT -5
Yes, advertising your blog is a good way to do it. The difficulty is coming up with blog content that will draw in your target reader. I think if you have a really topical genre (love your zombie posts!) it helps, but how do you draw in romance readers? Especially if you don't want to post naked torsos every week? Thanks! Yeah, I think it's easier when you have a specific theme. Zombies are pretty specific. LOL! ~~~ Perhaps some romance writers here at The Writer's Pub could weigh in on how to best use Pinterest? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 9:46:07 GMT -5
I think you need a combination of website, blog, Facebook author page and profile, twitter. All of those linked together. Agreed. I have them all. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 11:27:14 GMT -5
yeah this is totally true, they are reducing your post reach to less than 6 percent of your likers to try and get people to pay to boost posts.
I had on another account 600 + likes, my posts went out to less than 10, since a lot were like spammers it was zero effect.
Now i only have 29 followers but I know they are all fans then about 15 or more see my posts.
So i would say this
Dont do the WLC thing and get other authors to boost your likes, don't pay for likes - just let your natural fans like your page from your own links then you know at least every post view is by someone who is a proper fan.
But certainly I would not recommend using Facebook as your main promotion engine.
One of the best things to do is actually have a wordpress or blogger hosted site and not on your own URL - being tied into the network generates more reblogs, shares etc. Tumblr was very good for getting stuff viral - especially cover art.
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It'd work I bet.