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Post by Miss Terri Novelle on May 28, 2015 11:41:35 GMT -5
From something I was reading last night: "she didn't want to turn him into the police."
It was not a book about a witch.
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Post by scdaffron on May 28, 2015 19:15:35 GMT -5
From something I was reading last night: "she didn't want to turn him into the police." It was not a book about a witch. Well perhaps it could be used in some paranormal shapeshifter erotica. But then I just end up with a horrible image of Sting morphing into the Village People singing YMCA. (Nooo, make it stop!) Have I mentioned lately that I won't be writing any paranormal shapeshifter erotica?  |
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Post by Becca Mills on May 28, 2015 22:13:34 GMT -5
You know, I don't think it would've occurred to me to use "in to" in that spot, but of course one should! Are there any other verbs besides "turn" where one needs to be on the lookout for "into/in to" errors?
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Post by Rinelle Grey on May 29, 2015 5:42:36 GMT -5
What are the rules for in to vs into? I kind of figured there was a difference, but no idea on the specifics...
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Post by lindymoone on May 29, 2015 5:50:29 GMT -5
"Maybe Grammar Girl would be a good place to look into this?" she asked herself; so off she went to look. Into or In to |
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Post by Miss Terri Novelle on May 29, 2015 8:11:03 GMT -5
I'm going to go look at Lindy's link but I'd say in this case, turning someone in to the police and turning them into the police were very different concepts.  I see a lot of giving into vs. giving in to and I'd say the latter would most often be correct. Breaking into a house or breaking in to a house, now that one I'd say into would be correct since it does involve a sense of place. I've always thought that if it makes sense when you leave off the to, then in to is probably correct. You can give in and you can turn someone in. But by that token, you can also break in so I'm probably totally wrong. Off to look at the link now before I give myself a headache before I've even had my coffee. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 9:07:36 GMT -5
"Maybe Grammar Girl would be a good place to look into this?" she asked herself; so off she went to look. Into or In toI gave upon finding out. |
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Post by Miss Terri Novelle on May 29, 2015 9:10:52 GMT -5
"Maybe Grammar Girl would be a good place to look into this?" she asked herself; so off she went to look. Into or In toI gave upon finding out. |
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Post by vrabinec on May 29, 2015 9:32:23 GMT -5
I'd say either one is fine. "Into" can be considered a contraction of taking someone into the police station, thereby turning them into the police.....I could be wrong about this.
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Post by Becca Mills on May 29, 2015 11:03:40 GMT -5
"Maybe Grammar Girl would be a good place to look into this?" she asked herself; so off she went to look. Into or In toAh, very good! Here's the relevant info: In or To Are Part of the Verb We broke in to the room. (Broke in is a phrasal verb. The word in belongs with broke. The word to is a preposition to tell the reader where the action of the verb happened. Where did you break in to? The room.) Squiggly walked in to hear Aardvark talking about the surprise party. (Because to is part of the verb hear [to hear, an infinitive], keep it separate from in.) ETA: Asking yourself, "Is 'in' part of the verb or is 'to' part of the verb?" seems like a good and simple test. |
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Post by mlhearing on May 31, 2015 8:14:54 GMT -5
"Maybe Grammar Girl would be a good place to look into this?" she asked herself; so off she went to look. Into or In toAh, very good! Here's the relevant info: In or To Are Part of the Verb We broke in to the room. (Broke in is a phrasal verb. The word in belongs with broke. The word to is a preposition to tell the reader where the action of the verb happened. Where did you break in to? The room.) Squiggly walked in to hear Aardvark talking about the surprise party. (Because to is part of the verb hear [to hear, an infinitive], keep it separate from in.) ETA: Asking yourself, "Is 'in' part of the verb or is 'to' part of the verb?" seems like a good and simple test. I'm not sure about the "broke in to the room example--I'd probably use "broke into the room" because it implies entry into the room from without as in walking into the room. But "turn in to the police"? Yes. "In" is a particle that is kinda, sorta part of the verb "turn" in this case. Here's another example: "John pulled in to the parking lot." |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 8:51:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure about the "broke in to the room example--I'd probably use "broke into the room" because it implies entry into the room from without as in walking into the room. But "turn in to the police"? Yes. "In" is a particle that is kinda, sorta part of the verb "turn" in this case. Here's another example: "John pulled in to the parking lot." Both examples seem to me to be contractions of respectively "broke in into the room," and "pulled in into the parking lot." It's one of those things like "He got off of his horse." It's correct, but few people use it. I think both "in to" or "into" are correct in these examples, but "into" feels more natural to me. I'd say either one is fine. "Into" can be considered a contraction of taking someone into the police station, thereby turning them into the police.....I could be wrong about this. You can't "turn someone in into the police," so I think you're right you're wrong. |
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Post by Miss Terri Novelle on May 31, 2015 9:15:52 GMT -5
One site suggested that in some cases "in to" is short for "in order to" which makes sense for some sentences. Into would be a compound word but not a contraction because there are no letters removed (lack of ' as in don't). What I find really interesting is how Joe can pull into the parking or pull in to the parking lot and both sound fine but turning into the parking lot vs. turning in to the parking lot would be a transformative experience. **hears Monty Python in her head, "She turned me into a newt." "A newt?" "I got better." |
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Post by Becca Mills on May 31, 2015 9:41:42 GMT -5
Here's another example: "John pulled in to the parking lot." I've definitely used "into" in that situation.  |
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Post by mlhearing on May 31, 2015 9:49:33 GMT -5
but turning into the parking lot vs. turning in to the parking lot would be a transformative experience. It would be indeed. |
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Post by mlhearing on May 31, 2015 9:50:33 GMT -5
Here's another example: "John pulled in to the parking lot." I've definitely used "into" in that situation. It's okay. Nobody cares about these things--only pedants like us. |
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Post by Becca Mills on May 31, 2015 9:51:59 GMT -5
I've definitely used "into" in that situation. It's okay. Nobody cares about these things--only pedants like us. Like the final Pierre, I CARE!  |
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Post by vrabinec on Jun 1, 2015 8:42:48 GMT -5
Here's another example: "John pulled in to the parking lot." I've definitely used "into" in that situation. In that case, into is correct. The police scenario is different because to "turn in" is essentially a two word synonym for "report". You can report someone, or you can turn them in. But I still think you can get away with turn into, same as you can run into Walmart, you can take a person into the police station, and hence make the police aware. But turn in to (report), is the more common intent. |
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I see a lot of giving into vs. giving in to and I'd say the latter would most often be correct. Breaking into a house or breaking in to a house, now that one I'd say into would be correct since it does involve a sense of place. 
